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- Date: September 3, 1987 Revised September 7, 1987
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- To: X3T9.2 Membership
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- From: Lawrence J. Lamers, General Editor, X3T9.2 011-813-458-7870
- Revision 1 by John Lohmeyer based on Jeff Stai's comments
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- Subj: SCSI-2 Ad-Hoc Minutes - Aug 31, 1987 to Sept 02, 1987 - Wichita KS
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- A SCSI-2 working group meeting was held Aug 31 through Sept 2 in Wichita, KS.
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- Meeting agenda
- 1. Connector Issues
- 2. Command Queuing (87-59 R3)
- 3. SCSI Medium Changers (87-119 & 87-144)
- 4. Asynchronous Event Notification (87-52 R1)
- 5. Deferred Error Handling (87-98 R1)
- 6. Printer Command Set Proposal (87-103 R1)
- 7. Direct Access Device Translate Page in DIAGNOSTIC commands (87-126)
- 8. INQUIRY Command with VPD Info (87-127)
- 9. SEARCH Command modifications (87-128)
- 10. Verify Error Recovery Page (87-129)
- 11. Implemented Options (87-130)
- 12. MODE SELECT on a per initiator basis (87-131)
- 13. Fast SCSI (87-138 and 87-148)
- 14. Additions to READ POSITION COMMAND (87-139 R1)
- 15. See item 12.
- 16. Density Code for DAT Tape (87-145)
- 17. Additional Sense Codes (87-158) Gerry Holder
- 18. Review of SCSI-2 draft document.
- 19. Optical Issues (87-146)
- 20. TEST UNIT READY Command (87-147)
- 21. CD-ROM proposal review (87-106)
- 22. Target controlled data integrity (87-156)
- 23. SDTR negotiation (87-154)
- 24. Programmable SCSI option select (87-137)
- 25. READ LOG UPDATE command (87-43 & 87-114) Agenda Item 25.
- 26. MODE SELECT command modifications (87-122 R2)
- 27. BUSY status (87-149)
- 28. Zoning information (87-157)
- 29. October Working Group
- 30. January Working Group
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- The following people attended the meeting:
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- Mr. Robert C. Herron A 3M Company
- Mr. John Knudson S 3M Company
- Mr. Robert N. Snively P Adaptec, Inc.
- Mr. Charles Brill P AMP, Inc.
- Mr. C. Edward Reynolds O AMP, Inc.
- Mr. Edward Marsh O AMP, Inc.
- Mr. Louis C. Domshy P Archive Corp.
- Mr. Paul Kellogg O AT&T Information Systems
- Mr. Joe Lawlor O AT&T Information Systems
- Mr. David Harms O AT&T Information Systems
- Mr. David Barnum O Burndy Corp.
- Mr. Heinz Piorunneck O Burndy Corp.
- Mr. Gene Milligan P CDC/MPI
- Mr. Gerald Houlder A CDC/MPI
- Mr. Dan Davies P Cipher Data Products, Inc.
- Ms. Donna Pope P Cipher/Optimem
- Mr. Paul Nitza P Emulex Corp.
- Mr. Randy Weber ST Emulex Corp.
- Mr. I. Dal Allan P ENDL
- Mr. Robert Liu P Fujitsu America, Inc.
- Mr. Bob Thornton O Fujitsu Components of America
- Mr. Dave McIntyre A Hewlett Packard Co.
- Mr. Bob Pentecost O Hewlett Packard Co.
- Mr. Greg Floryance P IBM Corp.
- Mr. Gerald Marazas A IBM Corp.
- Mr. Gary R. Stephens A IBM Corp.
- Mr. Alan Ebright P Laserdrive
- Mr. Paul Boulay O LMSI-OSI
- Mr. Skip Jones P Maxtor Corp.
- Mr. Bob Masterson P Methode Electronics, Inc.
- Mr. Paul Wassenberg P Micropolis Corp.
- Mr. Thomas Gettys P Miniscribe Corp.
- Mr. John Lohmeyer P NCR Corp.
- Mr. Terry Johnson S NCR Corp.
- Mr. Duane Draving ST NCR Corp.
- Mr. Dave Skinner ST NCR Corp.
- Mr. Michael Linkous S NCR Corp.
- Mr. James McGrath P Quantum Corp.
- Mr. Dexter Anderson P Scientific Micro Systems
- Mr. Lawrence J. Lamers A Sony Corp. of America
- Mr. Dennis Appleyard P Storage Technology Corp.
- Mr. D. W. Spence A Texas Instruments
- Mr. Harvey Waltersdorf P Thomas & Betts
- Mr. Jeff Stai P Western Digital
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- Status Key: P - Principal, A - Alternate, L - Liaison, O - Observer
- S - Special Interest Group, V - Visitor (no address info)
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- The following documents were distributed at the meeting:
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- Document Doc Date Author Description of Document
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- X3T9.2/87-122 8/31/87 J. McGrath MODE SELECT command modifications
- Rev 2
- X3T9.2/87-139 8/27/87 D. Appleyard Additions to READ POSITION command for
- Rev 1 Sequential Access Devices
- X3T9.2/87-146 8/31/87 J. Stai Revised Optical Sections
- X3T9.2/87-149 8/28/87 P. Johansson Differentiation of Controller BUSY and
- LUN BUSY
- X3T9.2/87-150 8/28/87 P. Johansson Translate Page in SEND/RECEIVE
- DIAGNOSTIC Commands
- X3T9.2/87-151 8/28/87 P. Johansson Management of the "Grown" Defect List
- X3T9.2/87-152 8/27/87 D. Appleyard Response to REQUEST SENSE before CHECK
- CONDITION has been reported
- X3T9.2/87-154 9/1/87 D. McIntyre Clarification of Synchronous Data
- Transfer Negotiation
- X3T9.2/87-155 8/25/87 R. Weber Ending Extended Contingent Allegiance
- X3T9.2/87-156 8/30/87 J. McGrath Reordering of Commands in Command
- Queuing
- X3T9.2/87-157 8/30/87 J. McGrath Providing Initiators with Zoning (or
- Notched Drive) Information
- X3T9.2/87-158 G. Houlder Proposed Additional Sense Code Table
- for Section 8
- X3T9.2/87-159 8/27/87 S. Jones Self Configuration Errors
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- All items from the agenda were discussed with the following results:
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- 1. Connector Issues
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- Gerry Marazas acted as moderator for a meeting dealing with connector
- issues. The charter is to pick a high-density, shielded, connector.
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- This meeting reported back the following.
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- A pin and socket and ribbon type connector could both be adopted. A single
- choice is preferable, but not absolutely necessary.
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- A request to schedule the connector issue at the October plenary at a known
- time was made. Their preference was for Tuesday morning. Prior to this there
- would be a meeting of connector people to resolve dimensions on Monday.
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- Do we need 26 & 28 AWG compatibility? Maybe we should have two options:
- short & skinny(28 AWG) and long & fat cables(26 AWG).
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- The manner of retention of the cable connector to board attachment needs
- some input. A single retention scheme for each type of connector is highly
- desirable. The choices are baillock vs. thumbscrew vs. latching type
- mechanism. Having stackable connectors may dictate the retention mechanism.
- The center to center distance may also restrict the connector size.
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- Daisy chaining, both internal and external requirements (like IEEE 488).
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- Chuck Brill made some comments regarding pin & socket connectors: 1)
- Electro-static discharge may be problem on Champ style connector; 2) Also the
- pin & socket is available for surface mounting.
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- The B-cable will have a skewed sixteen arrangement using a 68-pin micro
- shielded and un-shielded connector. It is also recommended that an A-cable
- micro connector be chosen. It is the working groups recommendation that both
- of these will be added to the body of the standard to replace the existing 60-
- pin connector and not included in the appendix. The working group will issue
- a separate report on the subject of Wide SCSI (X3T9.2/87-160).
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- 2. Command Queuing (87-59 R3)
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- Bob Snively summarized the latest revision of the SCSI Command Queuing
- proposal. Revision 3 of the document contains the changes discussed at the
- Irvine working group. Jeff Stai mentioned that we had discussed error
- handling at the last plenary meeting without any resolution. The main
- question is when to restart command execution from the queue after an error
- occurs. When a CHECK CONDITION is sent by the target the queue will be
- disabled for the LUN which detected error. The target will only accept
- commands from the initiator which received the CHECK CONDITION and will
- execute them in a strict sequential order. Two new messages will be defined,
- INITIATE RECOVERY MODE and RELEASE RECOVERY MODE. The INITIATE RECOVERY MODE
- message will be sent by the target between the status and COMMAND COMPLETE
- message when a CHECK CONDITION occurs. This message notifies the initiator
- that the target has entered the error recovery mode defined above. The
- initiator sends the RELEASE RECOVERY MODE message when it has completed and
- error recovery action. Once the target has received the RELEASE RECOVERY MODE
- message it will continue normal operation on that LUN. Note: This method of
- Error Recovery Locking is independent of command queuing and device type.
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- The following outstanding issues are not addressed in revision 3 of the
- document but will be included in the next revision:
- (1) UNIT ATTENTION condition to other initiators when one initiator
- clears the command queue.
- (2) What happens to queued commands when a soft reset occurs.
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- Between this item and item number 1 above a considerable amount of time was
- spent on deferred errors, error processing/recovery in sequential devices and
- error processing/recovery in direct access cache devices. This whole area
- needs a large amount of work and should be scheduled as a separate working
- group agenda item.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to revise document 87-59 to include the
- changes discussed at this meeting.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to generate a new proposal which
- documents the discussion on Error Recovery Locking Mode operations.
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- Dan Davies accepted an action item to update his Deferred Error for Buffered
- Mode 2 proposal to include the Error Recovery Locking Mode.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to update his AEN proposal to include
- the Error Recovery Locking Mode.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to update document 87-19 to include the
- new Error Recovery Locking mode, deferred error returned sense code (71h) and
- AEN.
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- 3. SCSI Medium Changers (87-119 & 87-144)
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- There is some merit to the Cygnet and STC proposals. However these need to
- be edited. There was a discussion of the merit of keeping media changers
- included in the SCSI-2 document. In particular the manufacturers of media
- changers seem to lack commitment to participation in the working groups.
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- An agenda item for the next plenary is to review the editorship of this
- section.
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- Gary Stevens accepted an action item to develop a primitive medium changer
- model.
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- 4. Asynchronous Event Notification (87-52 R1)
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- 5. Deferred Error Handling (87-98 R1)
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- Dan Davies presented his proposal on the handling of deferred errors for the
- new sequential access buffered mode 2. The only area where there were
- problems had to do with the residual count returned by the target when an
- error occurs. Does the residue contain the data currently in the buffer as
- stated on page 9-48/50 or not as stated on page 7-28?
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- Items 1, 3 and 4 of this proposal were accepted by the working group for
- inclusion in the next revision of the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to incorporate Item 2 of 87-98 R1 in his
- proposal on Error Recovery Locking Mode.
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- Gary Stephens accepted an action item to submit a document which clarifies
- the residue on a deferred error.
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- 6. Printer Command Set Proposal (87-103 R1)
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- John Lohmeyer summarized the printer proposal document. The
- RESERVE/RELEASE, SEND DIAGNOSTIC and TEST UNIT READY commands should be
- mandatory. Gene Milligan suggested that a paragraph be added on the first
- page that states this document is meant to encapsulate the data sent to the
- printer and the data may contain device specific control sequences.
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- 7. Direct Access Device Translate Page in DIAGNOSTIC commands (87-126)
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- A lengthy discussion took place on whether or not the physical sector format
- refers to the sector number relative to index (sectors from index) or the
- current sector number. The committee decided to leave the current wording in
- the document since several manufacturers have implemented the option in
- different ways but all are within the standard.
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- Gene submitted proposed wording for the translate function. A vote was
- taken to include his statement: 8 in favor, 1 opposed. It was suggested that
- it might belong in the direct access model.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to find a place to incorporate the
- wording in the SCSI-2 document.
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- Peter Johansson's (87-150) comments was discussed. There is a legitimate
- reason to return a zero value if the address does not translate to requested
- address format. Unresolved yet is the proper action to take when an out of
- bounds condition exists.
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- Paragraph two is accepted, but the last sentence will not be struck.
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- Paragraph three is accepted, however alternate track will be retained, and
- alternate sectors added.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to edit these into the SCSI-2 document.
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- 8. INQUIRY Command with VPD Info (87-127)
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- There was a discussion about removing the Product Serial Number from bytes
- 56 to 67 and make it VPD page 83. Should it be reported in both places?
- Paul, in his frustration with the extended discussions, made a motion to
- remove the Product Serial Number field. The motion failed for lack of a
- second.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to add a description to clarify the
- serial number issue to the SCSI-2 document.
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- A long discussion ensued on the topic of target/un differentiation. Gary
- Stevens argues that target/LUN differentiation should be done at the identify
- message, so that it applies to all commands. This could be a future proposal
- for SCSI-3.
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- A straw vote was taken on the question "Do you like the identification of
- target and LUN?": 10 in favor, 6 opposed.
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- A straw vote was taken on the question "Is the target/LUN bit in for SCSI-
- 2?": 8 in favor, 6 opposed. Since this was a close vote the bit will be
- included on an interim basis.
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- An agenda item for the next plenary is to have a definitive vote on the
- target/LUN issue.
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- The underscored text of 87-127 was accepted for inclusion in the SCSI-2
- document.
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- 9. SEARCH Command modifications (87-128)
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- Jeff Stai made a friendly amendment to extend the LBA list format to eight
- bytes per entry to allow a four-byte 'number of blocks' field after each LBA.
- This was accepted. Gary Stephens pointed out that a version of this command
- that allowed searching an area defined as a bit map of blocks would be useful
- as well. The bit map would be passed after each LBA. This was also accepted.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to generate a revised proposal.
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- 10. Verify Error Recovery Page (87-129)
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- 11. Implemented Options (87-130)
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- This proposal was accepted as modified by the working group for inclusion in
- the next revision of the SCSI-2 draft document in the INQUIRY command.
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- Jim McGrath accepted an action item to develop a proposal for a
- configuration implemented options page in the MODE SENSE command.
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- 12. MODE SELECT on a per initiator basis (87-131)
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- There was discussion of this topic interwoven with other discussions.
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- Paul Boulay accepted an action item to revise this proposal to encapsulate
- MODE SELECT data in the COPY command data.
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- 13. Fast SCSI (87-138 and 87-148)
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- The question is "How does this get incorporated into the document?". Should
- it be done as a linear function or a step function for the transfer rates?
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to draft fast SCSI into the document
- using a step function instead of a linear function for transfer rates.
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- 14. Additions to READ POSITION COMMAND (87-139 R1)
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- The wording in the last paragraph on page 9-5 needs to be rewritten to
- clarify it. For buffered mode 0 and 1 the target shall discard the buffered
- data if the previous command from any initiator was terminated with a CHECK
- CONDITION status when the initiator sends a load/unload command. This same
- paragraph is also in other places in section 9. Note: This does not cover
- buffered mode 2 which gets back into deferred error handling.
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- The ERQ bit on Page 9-19 should be deleted since reservation queuing has
- been removed from SCSI-2.
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- Jim Semenak was assigned the action item to include this proposal as amended
- by the working group.
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- 15. See item 12.
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- 16. Density Code for DAT Tape (87-145)
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- Density code 13h was assigned to NRZI 8/10 encoding for DAT.
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- This proposal was accepted by the working group for inclusion in the next
- revision on the SCSI-2 draft document.
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- 17. Additional Sense Codes (87-158) Gerry Holder
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- Paul Boulay's codes need to get incorporated. The proposal should be
- reviewed by the members of the committee.
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- This turns out to be a religious argument which cannot be resolved. A bit
- of gospel will precede each sense code table to expound the correct faith to
- believe in for that device type.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to write a letter to the Ephesians which
- will precede the Additional Sense Code Tables.
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- 18. Review of SCSI-2 draft document.
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- This task was not started.
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- An agenda item for the next plenary is to review the optical memory devices
- section.
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- 19. Optical Issues (87-146)
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- There is a potential conflict of the erase bypass bit and the write same bit
- in the command descriptor block of WRITE commands in sections 8 and 15. The
- working group felt that the erase bypass bit was more useful than write same
- for eraseable optical devices, but that having both bits in the same location
- might be dangerous.
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- Donna Pope accepted an action item to draft a proposal to the write same
- function to the SEND DIAGNOSTIC command.
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- Paul Boulay and Jeff Stai accepted an action item to reword the ASA bit.
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- A disable block descriptor bit is to be added to the MODE SENSE command
- descriptor block. The block descriptor page is deleted. This bit is being
- considered for inclusion in the other device type's MODE SENSE commands.
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- Paul Nitza accepted an action item to develop a proposal for a new MODE
- SELECT MODE SENSE command using ten-byte command descriptors.
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- Jeff Stai accepted an action item to generate a proposal for Page Code 09h
- to be updated and extended to cover other low level items.
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- Skip Jones and Jeff Stai accepted an action item to incorporate the 87-63
- proposal into the READ UPDATED BLOCKS command.
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- Donna Pope, Paul Boulay, and Jeff Stai accepted an action item to develop
- some needed additional wording for the Enable Blank Check bit regarding how it
- works in the UPDATE BLOCK command.
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- Larry Lamers accepted an action item to develop an optical model.
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- 20. TEST UNIT READY Command (87-147)
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- This proposal specifies the responses to TEST UNIT READY if the status is
- not GOOD. This proposal also touches on several other proposals before the
- working group including 87-149, 87-158 and 87-159. The discussion went off
- tangentially on the Additional Sense Code topic. Should direct-access devices
- start using byte 13 modifiers for additional sense codes as the sequential
- access devices do? How about the conflicts between direct-access and
- sequential access codes? The proposal must consider the how it affects all
- device types, since it will be propagated. The restriction on not
- disconnecting in the proposal will be deleted.
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- Bill Spence accepted an action item to revise the proposal based on the
- input received from the working group.
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- 21. CD-ROM proposal review (87-106)
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- The model description needs to be pulled together at the beginning of the
- document instead of scattered through the command descriptions.
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- Larry Lamers accepted an action item to draft a second revision of this
- proposal.
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- 22. Target controlled data integrity (87-156)
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- Jim McGrath will modified the proposal to be included as an appendix in the
- document. John Lohmeyer made a comment on the number of appendices it looks
- like we are planning for SCSI-2 and the sheer volume of paper involved. The
- appendices have not be distributed yet, nor have they received much editorial
- review.
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- Jim McGrath and Bob Snively accepted an action item to draft wording for the
- queuing section in the SCSI-2 document.
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- 23. SDTR Negotiation (87-154)
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- An agenda item for the next plenary is to review the this document.
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- Dave McIntyre accepted an action item to rewrite the implied agreement
- portion.
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- 24. Programmable SCSI option select (87-137)
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- This is the proposed command to set the level of SCSI that the target
- operates at, effectively allowing the host to switch between SCSI-1 and SCSI-2
- modes.
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- Does it eliminate DDF in INQUIRY? This needs further consideration, since
- DDF is intended to set the format of the data returned.
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- There was a request from Jim McGrath for a password feature. Data out
- parameters will be added for providing a password.
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- Bob Snively accepted an action item to modify the proposal to include the
- password feature.
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- 25. READ LOG UPDATE command (87-43 & 87-114) Agenda Item 25.
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- Randy's pages had been accepted at Irvine. Paul Nitza had an action item on
- this. The current status of this item is a little murky.
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- An agenda item for the next plenary is to review the status of the READ LOG
- UPDATE command. section.
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- 26. MODE SELECT command modifications (87-122 R2)
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- This proposal requests an ability to switch between current, saved, default
- parameters without sending out all the parameters.
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- Jim McGrath accepted an action item to develop a proposal to put this
- feature into the SEND/RECEIVE DIAGNOSTIC command.
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- Skip Jones accepted an action item to provide an example of MODE SELECT
- parameter changing as it should be implemented based on SCSI-2 R2.
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- 27. BUSY status (87-149)
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- The target/LUN bit and Peter Johansson's 87-149 document to add a CONTROLLER
- BUSY and LUN BUSY status were discussed together.
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- The work in item 20 above addresses the immediate concerns of 87-149. This
- issue will be discussed in relation to the VPD discussion in INQUIRY at the
- next plenary.
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- 28. Zoning information (87-157)
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- Jim McGrath accepted an action item to generate a proposal based on the 87-
- 157 comment.
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- 29. October Working Group
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- The working group will be held on October 26, 27, 28, 1987 in the Orlando,
- Florida area at:
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- Grosvenor Resort (305) 828-4444
- Lake Buena Vista, FL (800) 624-4109
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- The room rate is $80.00, single or double. When making reservations mention
- ANSI. Please make your reservation by October 10. There is transportation
- from the airport via American Sightseeing for $9.50 each way.
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- 30. January Working Group
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- The meeting is scheduled for January 7,8,9, 1988 in San Jose, CA. Bob
- Snively of Adaptec will make arrangements.
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